On this episode, Jason and Matt are joined by their close friend Luis Fernando Mises, along with Jennifer Gillis and Misty Brown, two tireless advocates with the American Kratom Association. Together, we dive deep into the criminalization of kratom — from Louisiana's looming ban to the federal government's quiet war on natural medicine.

Luis Fernando Mises is a consultant who teaches leadership across the U.S., a yoga and meditation teacher, a student of Austrian economics, a statesman with the Libertarian Party, a curandero, an entrepreneur, and a family man. He also runs a successful kratom business and brings rare clarity on both the plant and the marketplace.